Talk:Jacksonville, Florida

"Freakville" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Freakville and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 25#Freakville until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. TartarTorte 13:35, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Flags in the infobox

User:Binksternet, User:Donald Albury: "Regarding the recent addition and removal of flags from the infobox:

• The WikiProject model doesn't say flags can't be used, it just doesn't happen to use them itself.
• The model says "While it is just a guideline and there are no requirements to follow it in editing ...".
• WP:WikiProjects says "WikiProjects are not rule-making organizations, nor can they assert ownership of articles within a specific topic area. WikiProjects have no special rights or privileges compared to other editors and may not impose their preferences on articles."
• The actual rule, MOS:INFOBOXFLAGS, says "Human geographic articles – for example, settlements and administrative subdivisions – may have flags of the country and first-level administrative subdivision in infoboxes."
• Despite the edit summary "Flag icons are not for decorative use", in the case of a settlement they aren't purely decorative but informative. They inform the reader as to which flags, besides the locality's own, are flown there, at official buildings and so forth.
• For those last two reasons, maybe the WikiProject should reconsider and include flags in their model. But, again, even if they don't, there is no weight of authority in the absence of flags in their model.

Largoplazo (talk) 11:25, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

And the first sentence of MOS:INFOBOXFLAGS states, Generally, flag icons should not be used in infoboxes, even when there is a "country", "nationality" or equivalent field: they could be unnecessarily distracting and might give undue prominence to one field among many. I think flags used in the infoboxes of populated places are a distraction. While the guideline says they "may" be used, it does not favor their use. Since the use of flagicons in this article is disputed, we need to establish what the consesnsus is for their use in this article. My !vote is 'don't use'. Donald Albury 20:06, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that's how the guideline starts, with the general rule that you quoted—and then it gives exceptions to the general rule. Surely you don't think that when a guideline is written like this, the proper interpretation is that the general rule renders all the exceptions that someone took the trouble to list after it ineffective as though they hadn't been listed!

I don't generally like infobox flags either. I agree that they're generally distractions, equivalent to writing out (as is fashionable in some types of legal documentation, at least in the United States) each number in words after the numeral. I would read "There are 13 (thirteen) half-notes in an octave, ..." as "There are 13 half-notes in an octave and, by the way, let me digress and inform you that 13 when spelled out is 'thirteen', ..." Similarly, at G7, where the G7 member country names are all preceded by flag icons, I read the list as "Canada, and, by the way, here's what Canada's flag looks like; France, and, by the way, here's what France's flag looks like". In that infobox, the flags are irrelevant and redundant. If one were to argue that they're there to help identify the countries rather than to provide tangential information about them, I would respond that (a) the name of each country already identifies it and (b) anyone who can't already identify a country from its name is certainly not going to be familiar with or helped by its flag in identifying it.

Nevertheless, in this case the guideline allows it and the icons genuinely provide information, rather than serving as a redundant decoration, as I stated. Largoplazo (talk) 21:27, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

I have never seen a guideline describe how the infobox is there to help the reader determine which flags may be flying at a location. Nothing like that is found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline, for instance. In that guideline, the allowance for flag icons is only for jarring differences: sister cities in other countries. On the other hand, Template:Infobox_settlement says that inline flag icons "may" by used only for the national flag, but not for the state flag, which advice contradicts the idea that flag icons are there to help the reader see which flags might be seen flying over municipal buildings. Binksternet (talk) 15:48, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Incorrect 2020 Demographics

The 2020 column of the "Demographic profile" table shows a source from 2012 that has no mention of 2020. The percentages are also considerably off. For example, a quick search of Census Bureau data shows Jacksonville's 2020 non-hispanic white population as a plurality (47.8%), not a majority as in the table (51.2%). On a related note, is there any site-wide project in the works to update all of the 2010 and 2000 info that dominates demographics sections of US city, county, etc. pages to 2020? 2600:1700:1608:12B0:9C5B:2F09:C8F0:E85A (talk) 21:49, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Second largest city by area in the lower 48

Article claims this is the largest as of 2009 when in fact, as of Jan 1, 2009 the city of Tribune Kansas is larger. 73.231.99.19 (talk) 06:14, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

The area of Tribune, Kansas, is less than one square mile. Largoplazo (talk) 11:25, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Should I add "Da Bangem" or "Bangem" on the nicknames list?

Even though there isn't any news sources that uses it, it has been used several times like Reddit and Urban Dictionary to refer to Jacksonville. Should I throw it in the list anyways? Majonezeman (talk) 00:01, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

No. Those aren't reliable sources. Largoplazo (talk) 00:18, 12 October 2023 (UTC)